Comments for Walter's Lab» Walter’s Lab: Investigating Fringe and the Pattern http://www.walterslab.com Fringe Investigations Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:25:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 Comment on 2×14: Universal Equilibrium by Elliot http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-universal-equilibrium/729/comment-page-1#comment-117 Elliot Sat, 06 Mar 2010 23:25:37 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=729#comment-117 Walter says 'a boy who is not in his grave' so I think that indeed that was the exchange. And you'd only be exchanging current masses, not all future states of the current mass. So no worry about Peter aging, becoming taller, and needing more mass sent over there; it's a door, not a funnel. In his labnotes, Walter says "the boy is the key"; "on some level the boy knows, but doesn't know that he knows"--and "he'll be OK as long as we stay"----leading me to think that if Peter goes over there for long, he won't be allowed to live. And I can't wait to find out what he is key to! (Nice forshadowing of BR to always be showing him picking locks, kicking in doors, and under 'Exit' signs!) Walter says ‘a boy who is not in his grave’ so I think that indeed that was the exchange. And you’d only be exchanging current masses, not all future states of the current mass. So no worry about Peter aging, becoming taller, and needing more mass sent over there; it’s a door, not a funnel.

In his labnotes, Walter says “the boy is the key”; “on some level the boy knows, but doesn’t know that he knows”–and “he’ll be OK as long as we stay”—-leading me to think that if Peter goes over there for long, he won’t be allowed to live. And I can’t wait to find out what he is key to! (Nice forshadowing of BR to always be showing him picking locks, kicking in doors, and under ‘Exit’ signs!)

]]> Comment on 2×14: Universal Equilibrium by Will http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-universal-equilibrium/729/comment-page-1#comment-116 Will Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:03:24 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=729#comment-116 True equilibria has nothing to do with mass, especially if we are dealing with 2 seperate cosmic universes. I mean think of the moon, no gravity, everything changes, yet it can still support life of a human being. Now think of a place that cannot even be imagined, whos to say that they even take the same shape of human? True equilibria has nothing to do with mass, especially if we are dealing with 2 seperate cosmic universes. I mean think of the moon, no gravity, everything changes, yet it can still support life of a human being. Now think of a place that cannot even be imagined, whos to say that they even take the same shape of human?

]]> Comment on 2×14: Universal Equilibrium by Dr. Pacman http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-universal-equilibrium/729/comment-page-1#comment-115 Dr. Pacman Tue, 02 Mar 2010 17:50:23 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=729#comment-115 We know that the Peter in the show is not from the 'main' universe that the show takes place in, but rather, he's been taken from the 'secondary' universe. We've seen a gravestone for a 'Peter' who is implied to have gotten sick and, despite Walter's efforts, this Peter died at a young age. This dead Peter is the one from the 'main' universe. There was also talk of a car crash or some other kind of car-related incident which involved Peter and Walter. Although I do not remember what episode this was mentioned in, this is also an explanation for the original Peter's death. Or maybe he survived, but the trauma and perhaps physical damage of the accident, combined with his illness, was the eventual cause of death? Regardless, Walter opened the Corridor between the two universes and took the living Peter from the Secondary to the Main universe. As you say, we do not know what was exchanged to balance it out. Perhaps it was Peter's corpse? This would have the same mass if done at the right time. Obviously a corpse cannot grow, but the still-living Peter can, so over time this option of trade would be invalid. So something is needed to trade that is exactly Peter's mass. But what if Walter could not find something that was exactly as such? He would have to make a deal with the Observer who has mysterious powers or manipulations of the universes' laws. The deal would be for the living Peter to live in the Main universe with Walter for many years, and in return, the Observer would be allowed to take Walter to the Secondary universe. This is actually shown in a Season 1 episode, but the deal is not fulfilled; Walter and Peter continue to live in the same Main universe. How this deal WILL be fulfilled, or any consequences from it's non-fulfilment, have yet to be seen in a future episode. tl;dr - There was/is no trade of equal mass. Walter found the alternate option of making a deal with the Observer; Peter in exchange for Walter, one day. We know that the Peter in the show is not from the ‘main’ universe that the show takes place in, but rather, he’s been taken from the ’secondary’ universe. We’ve seen a gravestone for a ‘Peter’ who is implied to have gotten sick and, despite Walter’s efforts, this Peter died at a young age. This dead Peter is the one from the ‘main’ universe. There was also talk of a car crash or some other kind of car-related incident which involved Peter and Walter. Although I do not remember what episode this was mentioned in, this is also an explanation for the original Peter’s death. Or maybe he survived, but the trauma and perhaps physical damage of the accident, combined with his illness, was the eventual cause of death?

Regardless, Walter opened the Corridor between the two universes and took the living Peter from the Secondary to the Main universe. As you say, we do not know what was exchanged to balance it out. Perhaps it was Peter’s corpse? This would have the same mass if done at the right time. Obviously a corpse cannot grow, but the still-living Peter can, so over time this option of trade would be invalid. So something is needed to trade that is exactly Peter’s mass. But what if Walter could not find something that was exactly as such? He would have to make a deal with the Observer who has mysterious powers or manipulations of the universes’ laws. The deal would be for the living Peter to live in the Main universe with Walter for many years, and in return, the Observer would be allowed to take Walter to the Secondary universe. This is actually shown in a Season 1 episode, but the deal is not fulfilled; Walter and Peter continue to live in the same Main universe. How this deal WILL be fulfilled, or any consequences from it’s non-fulfilment, have yet to be seen in a future episode.

tl;dr – There was/is no trade of equal mass. Walter found the alternate option of making a deal with the Observer; Peter in exchange for Walter, one day.

]]> Comment on 2×14: Universal Equilibrium by Sam McPherson http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-universal-equilibrium/729/comment-page-1#comment-114 Sam McPherson Mon, 22 Feb 2010 23:34:46 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=729#comment-114 Well, Peter was apparently 10 or so. She might have been a smaller woman. Well, Peter was apparently 10 or so. She might have been a smaller woman.

]]> Comment on 2×14: Universal Equilibrium by Shniblet http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-universal-equilibrium/729/comment-page-1#comment-113 Shniblet Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:30:57 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=729#comment-113 If that's the case, then wouldn't Peter and his mother have to be equal in mass if she takes his place in the alternate universe? Is that probable? If that’s the case, then wouldn’t Peter and his mother have to be equal in mass if she takes his place in the alternate universe? Is that probable?

]]> Comment on 2×14: Universal Equilibrium by Elliot http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-universal-equilibrium/729/comment-page-1#comment-112 Elliot Mon, 22 Feb 2010 07:26:33 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=729#comment-112 Dude, Peter knew his mother! --He lived with her at least until high school: she couldn't afford their house (the one Peter breaks into for the neural headset) after Walter was sent to St. Clares' so they moved to an apartment in Alston (cf "The Ghost Network"). Olivia asks about her, where she is now, and he laughs and says "That's a story for another time." --And he gets truly angry with Walter in the next episode for dissing her & telling Peter not to be like her in 'The Arrival' and is on the point of ditching Walter and Olivia when he's abducted by Rogue; --and he tells Mrs. Uber-Clean's kid in 'Snakehead' he too was raised by his mother, and he knows how it feels to worry he'll lose her when she's all he has. I think when he told Olivia 'everyone loves someone who's dying' and 'a few years ago I went kind of crazy' in the pilot, he was referring to losing his mother...BR say somewhere that 'the breaking of Peter's relationship with his mother is what broke him'..... Dude, Peter knew his mother!
–He lived with her at least until high school: she couldn’t afford their house (the one Peter breaks into for the neural headset) after Walter was sent to St. Clares’ so they moved to an apartment in Alston (cf “The Ghost Network”). Olivia asks about her, where she is now, and he laughs and says “That’s a story for another time.”
–And he gets truly angry with Walter in the next episode for dissing her & telling Peter not to be like her in ‘The Arrival’ and is on the point of ditching Walter and Olivia when he’s abducted by Rogue;
–and he tells Mrs. Uber-Clean’s kid in ‘Snakehead’ he too was raised by his mother, and he knows how it feels to worry he’ll lose her when she’s all he has.

I think when he told Olivia ‘everyone loves someone who’s dying’ and ‘a few years ago I went kind of crazy’ in the pilot, he was referring to losing his mother…BR say somewhere that ‘the breaking of Peter’s relationship with his mother is what broke him’…..

]]> Comment on 2×13: Nazi Time Machine by Elliot http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x13-nazi-time-machine/654/comment-page-1#comment-111 Elliot Sat, 20 Feb 2010 06:27:59 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=654#comment-111 Walter says when first discussing Nazi science that they were working on immortality (as well as molecular bombs and UFO's). I think Hoffman had got hold of the secret--but it looks like it died with him. Wonder if he got it from Robert? Walter says when first discussing Nazi science that they were working on immortality (as well as molecular bombs and UFO’s). I think Hoffman had got hold of the secret–but it looks like it died with him. Wonder if he got it from Robert?

]]> Comment on 2×14: 5-20-10 by ehteno http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-5-20-10/679/comment-page-1#comment-110 ehteno Wed, 17 Feb 2010 23:33:28 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=679#comment-110 funny how people work... we all thought alike to put in 5 20 10 in a search engine (internet) to see if there where a hidden meaning to thoses numbers. funny how people work… we all thought alike to put in 5 20 10 in a search engine (internet) to see if there where a hidden meaning to thoses numbers.

]]> Comment on 2×14: 5-20-10 by Bishop 33 http://www.walterslab.com/investigations/2x14-5-20-10/679/comment-page-1#comment-108 Bishop 33 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:57:50 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=679#comment-108 This is probably not related, but it's a funny coincidence. I googled the date and got this link to "May 20, 2010 - Schepens Eye Research Institute Joomla - the dynamic portal engine and content management system." A lecture date at Harvard University in Cambridge MA! Weird huh!???? http://www.schepens.harvard.edu/distiguished_lecture_schedule/may_20_2010.html This is probably not related, but it’s a funny coincidence. I googled the date and got this link to “May 20, 2010 – Schepens Eye Research Institute
Joomla – the dynamic portal engine and content management system.” A lecture date at Harvard University in Cambridge MA! Weird huh!????

http://www.schepens.harvard.edu/distiguished_lecture_schedule/may_20_2010.html

]]> Comment on Anna Torv Bares All for ‘Esquire’ by Fringe - Anna Torv Bares All in ‘Esquire’ « Photomaniacal http://www.walterslab.com/fringe-news/anna-torv-bares-all-for-esquire/706/comment-page-1#comment-107 Fringe - Anna Torv Bares All in ‘Esquire’ « Photomaniacal Tue, 09 Feb 2010 03:24:39 +0000 http://www.walterslab.com/?p=706#comment-107 [...] Below are the pictures of Torv taken for Esquire. Be warned (or encouraged): Torv doesn’t appear completely topless, but there are some near misses. See the photos. [...] [...] Below are the pictures of Torv taken for Esquire. Be warned (or encouraged): Torv doesn’t appear completely topless, but there are some near misses. See the photos. [...]

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